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    Hi, all.

    I have finally gotten my Class 2 license. Congratulations to me. YAY!!

    Anyway, since I first got my bike license in 2014, I have been riding my Gilera up to now.

    I am thinking of upgrading to a bigger bike now that I can. However, I am spoilt for choices as there are a couple of bikes I have singled out.

    I would greatly appreciate if our members could share some good / bad pointers of the following bikes for my consideration, so as to further narrow my choices.

    1) Ducati Hypermortard 939 (about $36k)
    3) BMW F 800 GSA (about $35k)
    4) Triumph Tiger 800 XRX (about $36k)

    I appreciate all the kind input and hope this thread could also help others who are in the same dilemma as me.

    Cheers.

    Have a wonderful weekend.
    Last edited by Shaiek; 11-12-2016 at 12:21 PM. Reason: Narrowed to just three bikes for consideration.

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    If budget is not a constraint then I suggest you choose a bike that serves your intended main function. Daily commute? Touring? Track racer? Off road?

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    Hi, schwantz. Appreciate the input above.

    I won't say budget is not one of the main factor but big bikes do cost a fortune. I estimated the cost to be around $35k +/-.

    Anyway, I'll be using the bike more for daily commute to and from work. My current Gilera serves me well but you know the feeling of wanting to ride a bigger bike despite my small frame, hence the decision to upgrade.

    I will be heading down to some shops over the weekends to have a look at the bikes. Hopefully, they will allow me to at least sit on the bike. Any idea if it will cost me to test ride the bikes? What if I drop the bike while doing so? Anyone care to share their experiences or knowledge?

    Have a good day, all. Do ensure you've packed your raincoats, it's the rainy season nowadays.

    Be safe, ride safe.

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    My pattern is I dun ride on wet days, since there's a direct bus for me to workplace - I love clean bikes

    Anyway, an extra consideration I would take is regarding reverse parking - can I move my bike backwards comfortably while sitting on the bike? This goes down to the seat height, weight of the bike, besides your own height.

    Used to own an old xjr4 which I find damn heavy to do reverse parking while sitting, and sometimes hitting the leg peg when doing so, pain sia...

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    Isnt vstrom quite a giant bike? How small exactly are u?? Some of these are exotic bikes....use for commuting might not be so comfortable plus very easy to lose ur license cos the bike is so willing to roar and roar.....need a lot of self discipline not to succumb to the temptation. ....

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    I am not sure about the other brands but bmw can test ride.. I tested the gs before buying also.. maybe go when traffic is light then go for a spin...no need to follow their given route as long as u know the way back... be very careful since u jump from 2b to 2...the power difference and reponse is very very different...

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    Hi, kaiq. Thanks for sharing.

    I am similar to you, in a sense I also don't ride on rainy days. However, in my case, it is more of a safety concern. I would rather take the public transport whenever the ground is wet.

    Anyway, with regards to the subject, I don't think that reversing the bike while sitting should pose a problem. As long as your leg can reach the ground, I trust one should be able to handle it. However, the weight of the bike might make it a little difficult. Still, XJR400 doesn't look that bulky in picture.


    Hi, yappiez. Noted on your contribution with thanks.

    I have a small, lanky frame; about 1.7 m tall and 50 kg. I sometimes worry if I will be able to hold the weight of the bike. However, I have a friend who is about the same size as me and he is currently riding MT-10. He shares that I will get use to the weight eventually and it will be fine.

    V-Strom 1000 is indeed a big bike. That is why I really need to sit on these bikes to see if I can be comfortable with them. I also understand that with big bikes, there are a lot of temptation to zoom away. I will always bear in mind like I have always done, no matter what, safety is paramount. License is also not easy to get. Hence, thanks for your aptly reminder.

    So you rode a BMW GS before? As I will be using the bike for daily commute, how is the fuel consumption? Also, how would you rate the cost for maintenance? I have a special liking for this type of bikes in particular, actually.

    It was kind of you guys to share your inputs. Thank you.

    Be safe, ride safe.

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    ok. lets put this to perspective.

    if a person has a salary of $2500 per month minus cpf , take home $2000
    he has say $8000 for downpayment for a new bike. a new bike around $20000.

    so he owes bike shop 12000. he wishes to take loan of 5 years. interest is around 3% . so
    monthly he pays around $230 per month. so he would probably take home 2000-230 = 1770
    now, he must think bigger bike, on loan and thus higher insurance and road tax. so normally i am not thinking of
    any specific bike. superbike more ex. just average ok. $1000 per year. so he must put aside around
    $100 per month.
    petrol say 200 to 300 per month because now its a bigger bike. erp and parking. so we put another 100. so how much
    he has left. 1370.
    dont forget the service. you thinking of BMW ??? oh man !!! you know the servicing price is higher than other bikes??
    oh. you just thinking. ohhh . ok.
    your story is almost similar with many young men/ women bikers including myself 20 years ago.
    one thing i truly regret. i spent so much on big , big bikes that the money i used could have been spent more on my parents.
    choose wisely

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    look out for great deals
    1)class 2 bikes which cost less than a class 2b bike new or class 2a second hand with reasonable coe left and pay it cash.....I have two class 2 bikes which combined cost less than my gf's class 2b bike after coe renewal...
    2)check out the insurance for the above said bikes and see which one you can meet reasonably.....I have friends who had 1.5k insurance and struggled when it is time to pay both insurance....and road tax....in perspective....my class 2 bikes insurance never exceed 220 ...and my road tax since its below 999cc....it never exceeds 300....
    3)try to download the free factory manuals or haynes manual for the above said bikes....Its easier to troubleshoot with a manual in hand instead of going to a bikeshop who tinks they know everything and charges outrageous dough to diagnose that ur clutch cable is loose....
    4)Look out for class 2 bikes which takes super 4 vtec tire sizes that is 120F160R....you will be amazed at the big difference in prices for 160R and 180R tyyre sizes for the same tyre brand.....
    5)I would recommend between 600cc and 900cc for a first class 2 bike...hp between 70 and 100hp....nothing against bigger displacement bikes....but after close to two decades of riding....im still enjoying learning the limits of my beginner class 2 bikes....
    6)im a cheapo...but hey at least can save extra cash to go travellling....
    7)im also your height but way heavier at 90kg....use the extra dough to get aftermarket shocks like nitron or bitubo....i have personally use these and they bring more confidence to your ride...of coz there are other solid aftermarket brands like penske, hyper pro...wilbers...progressives etc...depending on ur budget...brands like nitron can be ordered according to ur weight n shortened to a degree to be able to put at least a foot flat on the ground....
    8)ride in both rain and dry.....fast n slow.....ul get to know wic tyre brands sucks or is good...hahha
    oh yesss.....happy researching and enjoy riding your upcoming new class 2 bike bro!
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    I ride at 70km/hr only...please please dont blow2 at me or overtake me dangerously....wait i change into Incredible Hulk n dont know why my little baby bike will always be ahead of u if u do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR BIKER View Post
    ok. lets put this to perspective.

    if a person has a salary of $2500 per month minus cpf , take home $2000
    he has say $8000 for downpayment for a new bike. a new bike around $20000.

    so he owes bike shop 12000. he wishes to take loan of 5 years. interest is around 3% . so
    monthly he pays around $230 per month. so he would probably take home 2000-230 = 1770
    now, he must think bigger bike, on loan and thus higher insurance and road tax. so normally i am not thinking of
    any specific bike. superbike more ex. just average ok. $1000 per year. so he must put aside around
    $100 per month.
    petrol say 200 to 300 per month because now its a bigger bike. erp and parking. so we put another 100. so how much
    he has left. 1370.
    dont forget the service. you thinking of BMW ??? oh man !!! you know the servicing price is higher than other bikes??
    oh. you just thinking. ohhh . ok.
    your story is almost similar with many young men/ women bikers including myself 20 years ago.
    one thing i truly regret. i spent so much on big , big bikes that the money i used could have been spent more on my parents.
    choose wisely
    great advice bro!


    I'd like to add on which may be abit contradictory. I'd say go for your dream bike if u feel u can afford it. U only live once and your priority in life may be different as u gro older, have family etc. Of course everybody go thru different path... n some may spend more on bikes when they r young while some spend more when old... to each his own.

    Just make sure you find out the maintenance costs and expected repair costs. Generally they would fall under 3 category.

    Cat 1 - Asian brand commuter class bikes
    Cat 2 - European/American commuter class bikes
    Cat 3 - Superbikes

    For Cat 2 & 3, be prepared to pay service charge of $50/hr upwards for servicing and repairs at authorised dealers. Cost of parts are also exponentially higher.

    Financial matters over... Back to your choice of bikes. Try them out "at least sit on them" and decide what kind of bike u prefer then check out more bikes in that category.

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    Hi, MR BIKER. Thank you for your contribution.

    I hope I will not have to resort to taking a loan to purchase my new bike. Nonetheless, I appreciate your insight. It shows that you have really thought it out.

    I agree that the annual insurance charges would be higher. I have yet to get the quotes but I am estimating around $800 per year.

    As for road tax, bike that is less than 1000 CC would linger around $150 at the most. The tax is calculated by [S$40 + S$0.15 (CC - 200)] x 0.782. If it's 1000 CC and above, the base of $40 is changed to $160, which would effectively double the rate.

    As for petrol, I doubt it will rise exponentially. My daily commute is around 30km and currently I need to gas my Gilera after four to five days and it will cost about $10 each time. With a bigger bike, I think it will still be about the same cost; bigger tank will need less refill but cost a little more to top it up fully. I may be wrong but I feel it will not differ much.

    I know that most people would agree that the money spent on bikes could be better utilized elsewhere. However, we each face different situation in our life. Still, I would bear in mind your advise and will really take into consideration before committing myself. I waited more than four months after getting my Class 2B before I purchased my Gilera. I believe I am patience enough to wait and make a rationale decision after much deliberation.

    Thank you once again for your input. It is helpful, having a perspective coming from another angle.

     

     
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    Hi, pufferfis.

    I am considering looking at second hand bikes. However, as I am not that experience with bikes, I am a bit worried that it would be a "lemon" product, refurbished to look nice. Still, I agree that second hand bikes are way cheaper than new bikes. For some bikes, the price are almost halved, but one wouldn't know about the condition of the bikes.

    As for insurance, I have yet to get the quotes. I was thinking of narrowing my choices to a couple of bikes and then get the quotes for them. Hence, I would first need to head down to the shops to get the feel of the bikes. Still, I am estimating the annual premium to be around $800. This would be for the Third Party, Fire & Theft policy. I don't think it is necessary to get Comprehensive policy, right?

    As for road tax, bikes that is less than 1000 CC will at most cost around $300 for a full year. The calculation I did for my earlier post was for 6 months.

    Regards to your point 5, after consideration, I was thinking of getting a bike that is less than 1000 CC. It wouldn't serve any purpose on Singapore roads with such a huge bikes. A moderate bike should be sufficient for me. Also, I am not a fan of modifying my bike. My current Gilera's parts are all stock and if ever it is faulty, I would replace with the same; nothing fancy like those Bitubo or Yoshimura.

    Still, thank you for your advice. At least now I know there is a way to adjust the bike if I need it to be more comfortable and having my feet on the ground.

    Have a good day ahead.

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    Hi, Yahmarhuh. Thank you for your comments. They are encouraging.

    Like most people, I have been advised to get what I really like while I am still young and hopefully can afford it without being saddled with a huge debt thereafter. Still, I would also agree with the minority who dissuaded me from spending so much on just a bike. It is conflicting but I will consider both viewpoints before coming to a decision.

    Nonetheless, thank you for sharing. I will make time to head down to the shops to have a personal experience with the bikes.

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    THEN its time to zoom around Ubi, eunos, Bukit batok, serangoon and hopefully not batam or jb to look for that elusive bike man. my favourites (not that I am sponsoring them ) loois, unique, bike production and many more. one piece of advice .dont easily fall in love. hehehe

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    out of the 11 choice, TS only have suzuki and yamaha

    so i think TS more inclined towards conti bikes. so if can choose all these , i think cost is not much of an issue to him
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    Wah dats quite a nice list... I was also considering quite a few on dat list and also jump fm 2b to cl 2.
    Even went to BMW enduro course in Phuket to try out the F800 where its meant to be ridden.
    Ended up with a Harley instead. Big cc but no performance, high insurance & road tax... totally an impractical choice.. but dats y we ride. lol
    Liverpool revival has started....

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    You can also test ride the Triumphs at Mah Motors.

    Affordability aside, you need to make up your mind about what class of bike you want - the bikes you listed are very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaiek View Post
    Anyway, with regards to the subject, I don't think that reversing the bike while sitting should pose a problem. As long as your leg can reach the ground, I trust one should be able to handle it. However, the weight of the bike might make it a little difficult. Still, XJR400 doesn't look that bulky in picture.
    think twice about that.
    unless u're talking abt a sports bike, class 2 adventure tourers can be upwards of 200kg.
    add in seat height and u being lightweight, it will be more bike than u can handle comfortably in the carpark aspect.
    add in wet ground etc, u might possibly find yourself in a bit of a predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettymussel View Post
    think twice about that.
    unless u're talking abt a sports bike, class 2 adventure tourers can be upwards of 200kg.
    add in seat height and u being lightweight, it will be more bike than u can handle comfortably in the carpark aspect.
    add in wet ground etc, u might possibly find yourself in a bit of a predicament.
    Exactly.. these are heavy tall bike... im same height as ts.. im dream bike used to b fz6s.. when I really got it I regretted. . As when I test sit the bike its on main stand.. so I cant feel the heaviest of the bike and tall seat height.. no test ride given... judging by the good condition I bought it by listening to its engine...I used to ride s4 before that... the tall seat n heavy weight as cmp to s4.. cannot rev the bike while sitting on bike as I need to tiptoe.. after riding for awhile kana tyre punctured!!! The rear big tyre cost a bomb!!! After a fews I sick of it and I sell it fast at a lost of 1.5k.. from then on.. I learnt that my next cl2 bike must b light weight or something close to s4.. low seat height.. 160 rear tyre... I slowly browse and spot a nice fit at a cheap price.. 1yr9mth left coe.. 650cc at 3.5k in 2015 yr... jus that the price is kawasaki. .. lol... now im still v happy wif my kawa.. fc 25kml.. eo 2bottle.. 2inline n nice exos sound..=)
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    Hi, MR BIKER. Appreciate the list of shops. I will be paying Looi's Motor a visit today, if time permits, since I will be around the area. Once again, thank you.


    Hi, wait4me. Cost is a factor for me. If I could save on the purchase, I would. However, I wouldn't want to spend big and then regret that I didn't getting another bike that cost slightly higher just because I wanted to scrimp. Having said that, the cost will still have to be reasonable and I have estimated it to be about $35k. In a way, you could say, that is my budget.

    Also, I did consider getting Honda NCX 750. However, those who rode it before advised me against getting it, saying it's incomparable against the CBX 400. Still, the allure of the NCX 750 is rather tempting. The price is lower, it offers a storage space at the front and there is auto transmission too, from the reviews I read.


    Hi, kzone. It is unfortunate that you don't feel fully satisfied with the bike. However, thank you for sharing. That is exactly the reason why I started this thread in the first place. I was hoping someone would be able to share some pointers for my consideration before jumping to conclusion.

    Prior to this, I had the basic knowledge that the cost of maintaining a big bike will be greater as the power increase. Take the road tax for instance, I did not expect the annual renewal cost would be double for bikes above 1000 CC, until I checked it out recently. This, and after some time browsing online, has definitely reduced some of the bikes on my existing list.


    Hi, di_andrei. Thank you for your advice. I am very certain that I don't wish for a sports bike. My inclination is more towards those adventure type bikes, with an exception to a Hypermotard, of course. I would also prefer the sitting to be upright.


    Hi, prettymussel. Your argument there is valid and well noted. Perhaps, the places I normally park my bike is kind of spacious hence I was thinking that I don't have to really reverse the bike that often. Nonetheless, I apologize for my earlier remark. Indeed, an adventure bike is heavy and the seat is rather high. It would pose a problem for someone my size. I will consider this during my visit to the shops. Thank you highlighting this point.


    Hi, tiku. I'm sorry to hear about your story but at the same time I am glad to hear you have found yourself a much more comfortable ride. I understand that your current bike is a used bike with less than two years of COE left. Out of curiosity, do you have problems with getting insurance coverage? From what I have heard before, some insurance companies refused to accept old bikes, which I am unable to ascertain the validity.


    To all, I am truly grateful that you guys came forward to share your experience. Thank you for all the advice, may we each be able to benefit from this.

    Have a wonderful weekend. Be safe, ride safe.

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    Ts.. nope i have no difficulty getting insurance for all my past old bike.. all my x bike are second , most are coe bike.. no trouble at all except my cbr250.. have to go thru bike shop to find for me.. cbr250 is yr2011 bike but yet not many take in
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    Hi, tiku. Noted your message. I guess the stories I heard was untrue.

    Anyway, for an update, I only managed to go to Ducati showroom last weekend. The sales lady was friendly, assisting me with my queries. However, although my heart say yes to the Hypermotard, I am still a bit hesitant. Notwithstanding the initial investment of $36k, the cost for servicing is also rather steep.

    I also enquired some shop about Yamaha MT-09. The prices are rather similar at $23k, without insurance. However, these are all the naked bike. Also, I checked online and the 2017 version looks more attractive, something like MT-10.

    Well, that is just an update for now. Have a nice evening, all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaiek View Post
    Hi, tiku. Noted your message. I guess the stories I heard was untrue.

    Anyway, for an update, I only managed to go to Ducati showroom last weekend. The sales lady was friendly, assisting me with my queries. However, although my heart say yes to the Hypermotard, I am still a bit hesitant. Notwithstanding the initial investment of $36k, the cost for servicing is also rather steep.

    I also enquired some shop about Yamaha MT-09. The prices are rather similar at $23k, without insurance. However, these are all the naked bike. Also, I checked online and the 2017 version looks more attractive, something like MT-10.

    Well, that is just an update for now. Have a nice evening, all.
    Hi Shaiek,
    morning. I was like you when i got my Class 2. I love the ducati and went Ubi to view the Diavel ( Full touring kit pannier /backrest ). Fell in love at first sight. But after doing some research and talking to old timer. Gave up the idea due tot the engine heat and high rev engine. High rev engine not suitable on city ride as got to maintain low gear at high rpm and this will make my ride uncomfortable.
    Next target BMW. Due to my short legs, i narrow down to BMW K1600GTL. Lucky my bike shop let me test ride the bike before purchasing it. Fall in love on the smoothness of the engine. Very good handling at slow speed and the best of all at 60km/h i can move into 6th gear. So i had this K1600GTL for 11 mths already since i passed my class 2.

    Along the way, backside itchy. 5 mths back got myself a Triumph Rocket 3 2300cc. Then kana poison like **** since I passed my class 2. 4 bikes in hand now.

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    Actually bro, its not that I wasn't satisfied with the F800. Its just that the bike deserve to be on the dirt tracks, climbing up hills, crossing streams or at the very least going on 500km trips. It'll be such a sad bike if u limit it to the tarmac on SG roads especially if it spends most of its life manoeuvring through our peak period traffic.

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    Hi, kzone. It is unfortunate that you don't feel fully satisfied with the bike. However, thank you for sharing. That is exactly the reason why I started this thread in the first place. I was hoping someone would be able to share some pointers for my consideration before jumping to conclusion.
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    Hi, smallcar. I apologize for the delayed response as I have been tied down with work. Anyway, I agree with you with regards to the Ducati. I am still having second thoughts on the Hypermotard. Similarly, like you, I have also shifted my focus to BMW currently. I am reading up on the F800 GSA and I understand there is a new model for 2017. Any idea how long in general before it is made available here in Singapore?

    Nonetheless, it is amazing that you own four bikes. I hope you get to enjoy the rides with all of them. Have fun and ride safe always.


    Hi, kzone. I understand your point. I am interested to join a tour. When the opportunity presents itself, and hopefully then, if I am riding an F800 GSA, it would serve its intended purpose.

    Have a wonderful weekend, all. Ride safe, be safe.

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    Hi Shaiek, i believe other posters may have shared some good advice to you, mainly covering budget and also the main purpose of the bike. I would also like to share some fair considerations i have when purchasing my bike when i passed my Class 2 couple years back. Apart from budget, and also purpose, i want to point our further that whether you like to do customizations or modding to your bike as compared to a stock bike. Purchasing brake levers, footrests, or even exhaust pipes all costs additional money and you have to factor these into the cost when deciding to buy your bike. A japanese make can cost lower, however all the add-ons may increase your financial burden significantly.

    Another point to highlight is the reliability of the bike and the frequency of repair. I dont wish to name any bike brands, but it is definitely better to check with your friends to find out the brands that save you the ease of repair. My personal experience with BMW gave me a piece of mind during these 2 years, cuz of their excellent after-sales service staff. I think this gave me great confidence in their brand, and their quality product. So do your own homework.

    Last point to share is your monthly installments. If you purchase the bike in full, no problem with payment. However if you make payments monthly, please consider the financial burden ontop of the customizations/higher petrol consumption. I also believe that insurance premium costs are higher than Class 2A and 2B, so this will add another couple hundred to your yearly bike expense.

    The purchase price of the bike may be tempting, but doing homework will alleviate some of these concerns you may have. Good luck
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    Hi, xiaozozo. Thank you for sharing your valuable insights.

    Regards to modifications, I am not really a fan. Even my current bike is still the same as to the one that I purchased three years ago. So I do not foresee this to be a major issue. Nonetheless, it is a valid point for consideration.

    As for insurance, maintenance and petrol cost, I have included them in my decision making. Insurance cost will definitely be a huge variance from my existing policy which is expected. Petrol cost should be about the same, just that the amount will be higher per top up but the frequency will be lesser due to a bigger tank. As for maintenance, I have asked the salesperson and I find it reasonable. Besides, the major maintenance is over a longer mileage, as I was informed.

    Just to share with you, I have decided to go for BMW F800 GS Adventure. However, currently, the 2017 model is being reviewed by the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and yet to be available for sale. The new bike will come with some accessories (including boxes) and several upgrades from previous models. The price is estimated to be around $35k (all in including insurance).

    I agree with you that the service from BMW is definitely excellent. Although I plan to settle fully in cash, the salesperson shared with me that there would be some savings by taking a loan instead. At the same time, I read some posts by members who mentioned that it is wiser to have some cash on hand in case of emergency.

    Ride safe, buddy.

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    congrats bro! its an excellent bike and more importantly, simply Sheer Riding Pleasure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaiek View Post
    Hi, xiaozozo. Thank you for sharing your valuable insights.

    Regards to modifications, I am not really a fan. Even my current bike is still the same as to the one that I purchased three years ago. So I do not foresee this to be a major issue. Nonetheless, it is a valid point for consideration.

    As for insurance, maintenance and petrol cost, I have included them in my decision making. Insurance cost will definitely be a huge variance from my existing policy which is expected. Petrol cost should be about the same, just that the amount will be higher per top up but the frequency will be lesser due to a bigger tank. As for maintenance, I have asked the salesperson and I find it reasonable. Besides, the major maintenance is over a longer mileage, as I was informed.

    Just to share with you, I have decided to go for BMW F800 GS Adventure. However, currently, the 2017 model is being reviewed by the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and yet to be available for sale. The new bike will come with some accessories (including boxes) and several upgrades from previous models. The price is estimated to be around $35k (all in including insurance).

    I agree with you that the service from BMW is definitely excellent. Although I plan to settle fully in cash, the salesperson shared with me that there would be some savings by taking a loan instead. At the same time, I read some posts by members who mentioned that it is wiser to have some cash on hand in case of emergency.

    Ride safe, buddy.
    Good to hear that you narrow down to this. Have lots of fun and ride safe. Prepared to get poison.. haha

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    Hi, Yahmarhuh. I appreciate the encouragement and is a little excited, anticipating the approval from the authorities.

    Hi, smallcar. I am looking forward to the new ride. I'll bear in mind the safety precautions nonetheless.

    Have a wonderful weekends, all. Be safe, ride safe.

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    oh no bro.... ur bike gonna cost u a lot more. I'm guessing about $6K more.


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    Default just buy used before direct sellers also up prices.

    Let's see, resale market will be strong too especially class 2,

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    Hi, Yahmarhuh. The timing couldn't have been worse. I was taken aback when I read the budget this morning.

    I was discussing with a fellow rider earlier. We estimated the bike's OMV to be around $16k. After calculating, it's an additional $7k with GST inclusive; $10k for ARF alone. Singapore is really all about paying.

    Hi, blacksilver. I trust the price will be adjusted rather quickly too. Nobody wish to lose out in this world.

    Ride safe, all.

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    Shaiek,

    Importers can strip the bike of accessories and install locally. That will make the bike bare bone and bring down the OMV quite abit for bikes with OMV over 10K. U're essentially paying double the price for the accessories.

    I think dealers will partly absorb the ARF too.

    You can also consider bidding ur COE in the current bidding exercise as I foresee many buyers pulling out to reassess their finances. This should drive COE down unless bike shops anticipate this and bid the COEs themselves to keep. Successful COE are given 6 months to register ur bike.

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    First time our government introduce such immediate implementation. It caught the buyers and dealers off guard. I was at my bike shop yesterday and the shop owner making lots of noise. He told me some buyers that have already gotten their COE and are waiting for the shipment now will have to pay more. This not only effects the buyer but the loan company they took from too. They cant back out as the COE is already under their name.

    Just a thought, if you already sign the purchase agreement and now have to add extra omv value, does the shop need to honor the sales agreement? If you look at class 2 bikes, that could be an increase of 6 - 8k more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiadennis View Post
    First time our government introduce such immediate implementation. It caught the buyers and dealers off guard. I was at my bike shop yesterday and the shop owner making lots of noise. He told me some buyers that have already gotten their COE and are waiting for the shipment now will have to pay more. This not only effects the buyer but the loan company they took from too. They cant back out as the COE is already under their name.

    Just a thought, if you already sign the purchase agreement and now have to add extra omv value, does the shop need to honor the sales agreement? If you look at class 2 bikes, that could be an increase of 6 - 8k more.
    i am curious at this also , since all sign and paid and waiting for the bike
    now how ? bike shop eat ?
    or too bad law change so consumer have to reaccess and eat the additional?
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    i thing i am very sure coe price WILL NOT drop drastically from 6k to even say 4k

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    Maybe 10 year loan from bikeshop coming soon
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    U think the increase of ARF will stop pple frm buying that desired shiny macho bike?

    Well, the sudden increase of COE from few hundred bucks to $6k didnt.

    No big deal right, most will just take a bigger, longer loan.

    Thats the singaporean way of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wait4me View Post
    i am curious at this also , since all sign and paid and waiting for the bike
    now how ? bike shop eat ?
    or too bad law change so consumer have to reaccess and eat the additional?
    some shop still have backlog COE left over, so wont be using the current updated one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wait4me View Post
    Maybe 10 year loan from bikeshop coming soon
    10 year loan already have.. I met few biker with blink blink 1L bikes and they told me they are on 10 year loan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 736cc View Post
    10 year loan already have.. I met few biker with blink blink 1L bikes and they told me they are on 10 year loan.
    wa serious ah ?
    i last heard was 7 years , never hear 10 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by wait4me View Post
    wa serious ah ?
    i last heard was 7 years , never hear 10 years

    maybe i sua ku
    Probably buyer took a personal loan instead of a vehicle loan?
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    Hi, Yahmarhuh. I doubt many will take the trouble to strip the bike, to help reduce the price. Most would just bring in as it is. Eventually, sellers only add margin over cost and buyers reluctantly accept the stated price.

    At the same time, COE prices will not drop. It is just the typical Singaporean way. Due to an increase in price, they will fear a further increase and hence rush to lock in now.


    Hi, chiadennis. That is a bit worrisome. I cannot imagine how the buyer would feel having to fork out a few extra grand when they have all agreed on the price previously. Perhaps, some shop would absorb it out of goodwill for those customers.


    Hi, wait4me. Most probably the shop will work out some deal with the customers. In the worst case scenario, they will absorb out of goodwill. Still, if customers were forced to pay, will they have the right to lodge a complaint against the shop?

    Regards to the loan tenure, 10 years is rather too long. I would rather pay off my loan soonest, bearing in mind the cumulating interest.


    Hi, MR BIKER. You were correct. The price instead heads north in the latest bidding, almost reaching $7k.


    Hi, prettymussel. I believe you are also feeling frustrated just as I am. Still, do take it easy. This is the price for living in an "efficient" country.


    Hi, 736cc. The changes is not to the COE but the tax system, which I trust is payable to the authorities. The shop might take the opportunity to mark up but most of the benefit does not flow to them.

    For the 10 years loan, it is perhaps a personal loan, as reize said. Even the loan for cars is only up to a maximum of 7 years now.


    Well, the important thing is to plan well and hopefully all will work out eventually. Ride safe, all.

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    Shaiek,hope u will get some kind of a deal as well!

    If u can wait for awhile, I do believe the COE will come down a little bit not just because of the ARF but also the non leakage to the open Cat. But don't think it will as drastic to say 3K level. The leakage to open CAT will stop in May. I do expect for it to go to under 6K few biddings after that. Probably not enough to entice you to delay ur purchase though.
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    Hi, kzone. Thanks for the encouragement, although I'm not really optimistic about any deal. Anyway, I can put off my purchase a little longer. Currently, I am busy at work and I might need to travel overseas come May. So, in a way, I am not in a hurry but who can say, sometimes the hand is just itchy.

    Let's hope COE prices will drop as you predicted. At least other fellow riders, especially those new riders, won't have to spend so much.

    Cheers!

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